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"The words of the
LORD are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep
them, O LORD, thou
shalt preserve them from this generation for
ever."
Psalms
12:6-7
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Eternal Security |
A Study Based on a Letter To Someone that Believed he had to Work to Keep his Salvation...
By: David A. Sargent
Let's be nice now... I am not against you. I am against false teaching
and if I am wrong I pray the Lord will show me through His eternal words
that eternal life isn't an eternal free gift, then I will understand where
you are coming from...
The Bible says: Study to show thyself approved
unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the
word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15... The word of God has proper divisions...
you cannot apply to the Jew what belongs to the Church, and vica-versa...
At least not doctrinaly...
So your salvation is based on your works? If you have to live a
clean life to get to heaven when you die... You are trusting
in your own self righteousness for salvation and not in the
finished work of Christ. He said it is finished... and
that settles it... Why go to a passage in the book of Hebrews, which
is plainly written to the Jews (Hebrews) to prove that the
Christian can lose his salvation, when Paul the
Apostle to the Gentiles tells us that "For by grace are ye saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not
of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2:8-9
Let me ask you a couple questions:
1) Which sin is it that will make a born again Christian lose his
salvation?
2) How would you define the Body of Christ?
Read this very carefully: "Therefore being justified by faith
(not by our works), we have
peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access
by faith into this grace wherein we stand
(not by our own merits), and
rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in
tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience,
experience; and experience, hope: (Christian
growth) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God
is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
(not earned) For when we were
yet without strength (not when we were yet
holy or sinless), in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
(Not the Godly) For scarcely
for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would
even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,
while we were yet sinners, Christ died
for us. Much more then, being now justified by his
blood, (not
by our own efforts) we shall be saved from wrath through
him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God
by the death of his Son (not our good
works), much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved
by his life. (not by striving to do good
works to keep reconciliation) Romans 5:1-10
You actually got me all wrong, I do believe in being an
overcomer... But You think that means your
flesh is sinless? And therein lies your sin!
Self-righteousness!
Ok, here is 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit
sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because
he is born of God." So my spirit is sinless...(see John 3:1-8 and
1 Peter 1:23) This has nothing to do with your flesh, which is still sinfull...
and you are a lier if you say otherwise. (See 1 John 1:8-10) "...let
God be true, but every man a liar;" Romans 3:4
Now look at Romans 6:23-7:25, "For the wages of sin is death; but
the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that
the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which
hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth;
but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So
then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall
be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that
law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body
of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised
from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we
were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the
law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being
dead wherein we were held; that we should serve
in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the
letter. What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay,
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except
the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin,
taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of
concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive
without the law once: but when the commandment came,
sin revived, and I died. And the commandment,
which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment,
deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law
is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and
good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.
But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me
by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become
exceeding sinful. For we know that
the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I
would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which
I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no
more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in
me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is
present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the
good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now
if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would
do good, evil is present with me. For I delight
in the law of God after the inward
man: But I see another law
in my members, warring against
the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin
which is in my members. O wretched
man that I am! who shall deliver me from the
body of this death? I thank
God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve
the law of God; but with the flesh
the law of sin."
John and Paul are both right... but are talking about two different things...
John is talking about the spirit of a saved man that is born again...
Paul is talking about the flesh of a saved man, showing the difference
between the flesh and the the will to do right.
Get it right once and for all, you are not your
body, you are your soul... your body is only an outer covering,
the image of your soul.
Christ is the image of God...
2 Cor. 4:4, Col. 1:15, and Col. 3:10...Look it up...
So are we the image of our soul. Now that we are born again we have gotten
back the nature of God we lost via Adam... We now have the new man... See
l. 3:9-10... which has to do with making the flesh obey the spirit...
and they are contrary one to another...
This is true overcoming Power:
Gal. 5:16:25, "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil
the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the
Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so
that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit,
ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which
are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry,
witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I
tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do
such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
(it didn't say they'd go to hell, or not be saved,
it said they would lose their inheritance) But the fruit of the Spirit
is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness,
temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have
crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit,
let us also walk in the Spirit." It didn't say we earn
our way to heaven by doing these thing.
You must not have been through much in life, before you were saved to believe
what you believe. I pray God would spare more people the pain and agony of
the knowledge of the depths of evil I have known before I was saved. Things
that God gave me victory over... you don't have a clue about... Your
self-righteousness stinks. You couldn't help me unless you have been
through something like I have been through. And according
to your testamony, your flesh is a sinless being!
And you are a lier! You lied about the Bible
and about other people who can't seem to get victory over pet sins, or vices,
and you knowing that ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF
GOD... even you right now... and you use this to get advantage over the
weaker breathren... you have no merit to flaunt in front of my face,
much less in front of God's face. YOU are a
SINNER.... IF you are saved, it is
only by the GRACE of GOD... and
NOT an earned thing... the only thing we can
earn is the wages of sin... which is DEATH... we all
got that coming! Eternal Life is a free gift...
you must not know the giver if you think you can earn
it!
Now read and remember this: Col. 2:14-15,
"As ye have therefore received Christ
Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in
him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished
in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after
the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after
Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision
made without hands, in
putting off the body of the sins of the
flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in
baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through
the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the
dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your
flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all
trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against
us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a
show of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
Hebrews 9:28, "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin
unto salvation." So what do I not believe in this passage? I
believe all that is written... Where does it say here that Christ saved anyone
from or in their sins... you made that up...
He bore my sins on the cross, TO SAVE ME FROM HELL..... If
you are only saved from your sins, you missed out on heaven... You are still
a sinner, and still sin... you just may die in
your sins... So you are a lier or God is... take your pick....
Revelation 19:7-8, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for
the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his
wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that
she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen
is the righteousness of saints."
You said that the "BRIDE" had made herself
ready....
YOU LIED AGAIN.... SIN... SINS.... SINNERS.....
LIER.... REVELATION 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and
the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall
have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which
is the second death."
With all due respect to opinions... I don't really care about your opinion
or mine... what I care about is what God said. And God said that you are
a spirit, a soul and a body. 1 Thess. 5:23, "And the
very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole
spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." They are not the same... Hebrews says,
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged
sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and
of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents
of the heart." the soul and spirit could not be the same if the word of God
divides them.
I never said you HAVE to sin at all... I believe God requires Holy Living.
He says be ye holy even as I am holy. (Lev. 20:7, 1 Peter 1:15-16). But the
fact is within our flesh resides sin. Before we were saved sin was
in us and on us... Jesus Christ had no sin in him
or on him.... but He took our sin ON him but not in him.... So
we could be saved. Then after we are saved we have no sin ON us, but
it is still IN us... That is what the last letter was about if you
read it.
About Matthew 1:21... Jesus is a Jewish name, it means Jehovah Saves... Ex.
6:3, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name
of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
That takes care of the Jehovah Witnesses... anyway, His name is Jesus because
he came to save His people the Jews from their sins... He came
unto his own... John 1:11, "He came unto his own, and his own
received him not." That is so His own people would recognize Him...
but they received him not... Then because of that rejection we get verse
12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
It didn't say but as many as receive him to them he
saved from their sins.... That is not what he said....
Some Christians have a problem with plane English words... They just can't
read! The Spirit of God cannot use that kinda lazy Christian, and what would
the Lord bring to your remembrance seeing that you have no real Bible
understanding about these things. It amazes me that people are duped into
believeing what they feel, or experience, or what they think, or suppose...
instead of just BELIEVING WHAT GOD SAID....
it's just a plane as the words on this e-mail....
Now here comes the Bible lesson for the day, verse 13, "Which were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh,nor of the will of man, but of God." This is the
born again of John 3:3, 7 and 1 Peter 1:23... This is that Spirit
Baptism of 1 Cor. 12:13 and that Circumcision made with out hands
of Col. 2:11 the opperation of God that I was reffering to in my previous
letter... You got to rightly divide the scripture. God is the same yesterday,
today and forever... but the way He deals with man is not always the
same... I never said God changed... but
He does change his works. Or there would be no need
for a "New" Testament..... You cannot make one passage of the Bible
overthrough another planer passage. Paul's salvation isn't anything like
the Etheopian Eunic. A good example of this difference is seen in comparing
Paul's writings and Jame's writings:
Paul says in Romans 3:27, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what
law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
Faith not works...
Romans 9:32, "Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but
as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that
stumblingstone;"
Faith not works...
Gal. 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the
works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be
justified."
Justification NOT by works, but by faith...
Gal. 3:2-5, "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by
the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish?
having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore
that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth
he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
Faith not works...
Now compare that to these:
James 2:14-18, "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the
law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath showed
no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. What doth it profit, my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of
you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding
ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what
doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy
faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my
works."
Faith without works is opposed to faith by my works
Paul showed faith without works, James said that ain't right... what
do you do with that? Paul is the Apostle to the Gentile Church....
Then continue with James 2:19:26, "Thou believest that there is one God;
thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know,
O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our
father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon
the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was
faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham
believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called
the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,
and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified
by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out
another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith
without works is dead also."
notice here that faith is antityped by body and works
is antityped by spirit... seems kinda backward...
Justification by faith and works... contrary to Paul who said Justification
was without works but faith only...
You understand who James is writing to? James 1:1, "James, a servant of God
and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered
abroad, greeting."
That is a refference to Rev. 7:4, "And I heard the number of them which were
sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all
the tribes of the children of Israel."
Then in verse 14, we see what time period they are in, "And
I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which
came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
Notice that their robes were washed not their souls or spirits...
And in this time period according to Rev. 12:17, faith and works are
required, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Faith
and works.... and Rev. 14:12, "Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith
of Jesus." Again faith and works just
like James said. And they could loose it... but if they did, they could
never regain it again, according to Hebrews 6:1-6, "Therefore leaving the
principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying
again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection
of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
For it is impossible for those who were once
enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers
of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of
the world to come, If they shall fall
away, to renew them again unto
repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves
the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Now about the "calling you a lier" thing...
I didn't write the Bible...
you said you don't sin and the Bible says
you do... You said you are no longer a sinner, the Bible says you are.
Examples: 1 John 1:8, "If we say that we
have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
see the us there, thats talking about us Christians. Now then we see Romans
7:14, "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold
under sin." and Romans 3:20-23, "Therefore by the deeds of the law
there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the
knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the
law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which
is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them
that believe: for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
But the good news is in Romans 3:24-28, "Being justified freely by his
grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set
forth to be a propitiation through faith in his
blood, to declare
his righteousness for the remission of
sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare,
I say, at this time his righteousness:
that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without
the deeds of the law."
You said you can't be saved by grace and be an old sinner... I thought Christ
came to save sinners.....Are you saying if you are a sinner you
can't be saved? Paul said it this way in 1 Timothy
1:15, "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all
acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners;
of whom I am chief." He used the
present tense, he considered himself
to be the chief of sinners right then! Then he says he obtained mercy.
He didn't work for it or earn it or not sin to get it. We don't work
to get saved we work because we are saved. That was exactly
what Paul is saying in Eph. 2:8-10, "For by grace are ye saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created
in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them."
Now about your salvation from your sins...
Christ abolished the commandments... Eph. 2:15 and nailed the to
the cross... Col. 2:14. "There is therefore now no condemnation
to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but
after the Spirit." Romans 8:1, and verse 2-11 explains why, "For the law
of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of
sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak
through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful
flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the
righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the
flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the
things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the
Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually
minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against
God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not
in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of
God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
So we owe God back a great debt..... and if we live
after the flesh, the flesh will die! (Not lose
your salvation) You need to keep reading.... Romans 8:12-19,
"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after
the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if
ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body,
ye shall live. For as many as are led by the
Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit
of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of
adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness
with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs;
heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with
him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the
sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory
which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of
the creature waiteth for the manifestation of
the sons of God." Which has to do with 1 John 3: 1-3, 1 Cor
15:51-56, and 1 Thess. 4:13-18. The REDEMPTION of
our BODIES.... Our bodies have not yet been redeemed as you suppose
in your opinions... But then it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong.
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A Letter
to the Editor
From a reader:
I have already discovered a fatal flaw in your argument. You argue that because
there are no original manuscripts to be found then any translation is a
perversion of the word of God. We are making copies of copies. If this is
true then we would have no translations ever produced. No one, except maybe
first or second century translators, that has translated the Bible has ever
used original manuscripts to translate the Bible. This make all translation,
ie KJV, NIV, NAS, NKJV, ect, void of value. Because we do not have the original
manuscripts to translate the Bible we must use the best sources we can. This
means we have to use copies of copies. The King James translators used copies
of copies, the New International translators used copies of copies, I could
go on naming every translation but it would take all day. I am sure that
every translator throughout history would have loved to have been able to
read the original writings of the Gospel and Paul. They would love to see
Moses's handwriting. Unfortunately there is a thing called time. We lose
things over time. The originals are no longer to be found. That is not to
say they are not out there, that is to say they haven't been found yet. They
may never be found, God may reveal to someone where they are, I don't know
if that will happen. I do know this that if the word of God is incorruptible
then he would assure that us measily humans would not mess it up no matter
who translated it. I submit that therefore no translation should be higher
than the other.
To place on above the other you are saying that God is not faithful in preserving
his word. If you do have any of the original manuscripts, please allow us
to view them. I always wanted to see what a prophet's handwriting was like.
In Him,
Brian Baldowski >>
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Answers
Wrong again... I have never said that and do not argue in that way... it
is not because of the orginals or not...
I have what was advertised as the originals... but the advertisers and publishers
don't have a clue what the eternal words of God are just like you... Any
way, If you want to know what Bible is God's words, PRAY and ask the AUTHOR!
Don't be stupid all your life...
Preservation of the words of God has nothing to do with the originals...
It has to do with what God wanted. Not what I prefer... The point I would
make about the originals is when the joker saying his Bible was from the
originals, or in the originals it actually says something different than
your Bible... etc... That was my point about the fact that they don't exist
anymore...
I have an advertisement for an interlinear Hebrew and Greek English Bible.
It reads as follows:
THE INTERLINEAR BIBLE
OLD TESTAMENT & NEW TESTAMENT
This helpful format gives on each page the original Hebrew and Greek texts,
the Strong's number of each word directly above it, and a literal English
translation directly beneath it. Plus the KJV II (very similar to the KJV:
minor differences are noted in the introduction) appears in a parallel comlumn.
For pastors and stucents who do not read Hebrew and Greek, this format opens
up many language reference works keyed to Strong;s. And the interlinear
arrangement allows novice students to grapple with the original text without
spending valuable time looking up unfamiliar words.
So they lied and said original Hebrew and Greek texts and the original text!
That's the problem!
I actually have a copy of this Interlinear Bible that CLAIMS to have THE
ORIGINAL TEXT in it...
The problem is most schollors think that God lost His eternal words and now
they must work to restore God's lost words! Self-deluded fools!!! That's
why we have so many Bibles... But if there are many gods, but ONE TRUE God,
and if there are many spirits, but ONE TRUE Spirit, and if there are many
baptisms, but only ONE TRUE baptism, then there must be many bibles, but
ONLY ONE TRUE BIBLE!!!!!
Satan is the master of forgeries, and the proof is in the pudding....
All translation, ie KJV, NIV, NAS, NKJV, are not the same, but the "New"
versions are against the AV in the same places giving a different reading
98% of the time. That is because they are from a different Greek ecclictic
text than what the AV was from. The Authorized Version has the Greek text
from Antioch, the "New" versions have their Greek text from Alexandria, Egypt....
need I say more....
Even the NKJV has readings from the Alexandrian mss.
The Alexandrian mss. are notorious examples of very perverted texts, where
portions of pages are scraped with a knife to get the ink off the pages,
and places where different hand writting changes some wording. These places
just happen to be the changes and major differences between the AV and the
"New" versions... Here is the real problem:
The 2 main mss. used from this notorious Egyption mss. are the Vaticanus
and Siniaticus mss. These have as part of the Old and New Testaments various
Books not in your Bible (unless you are Catholic) The Catholic Bibles have
these same mss. their base, just like the "New" versions....
So, why don't the "New" versions translate the whole Greek mss. they say
is the best and most reliable? It is because, they would not be able to make
the sale..... $$$ The Love of Money is the root of all evil....
You will never get a Bible that is not © unless you get a King James
Bible, otherwise known as the Authorized Version...
You don't have to ask anyone for permission to copy THEIR work!!!!
I have no proof that the King James Bible is inerrant... That is for the
Lord to prove to you.... I just believe it... just like it says in 1 Thess.
2:13 As stated in that Bible...
We are building a spiritual house, we have a rule (ruler) to measure our
building by. If you are using a different rule than I am, we are going to
have a very strange looking house!
Ask God in prayer what HIS ETERNAL WORDS ARE! That's is where the answer
is... after all, He is the author!
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This Issue"
A Letter With A
Question:
Thanks for getting back to me. I am interested in the scripture at Psalms
37:29 I find that most people believe they will go to heaven when they
are good and hell when they are bad. But here it says that the righteous
will posses the earth.
And at Psalms 37:10,11 it says that the wicked will soon be no more and that
we will look for someone wicked but wont be able to find any.
What do you think?
I for one enjoy the possibility that the earth will go back to a paradise
as it was in the garden of eden.Then all righteous people will live forever
in peace.
I would like to know your thoughts on this.
Diane
The Torch
Answers:
Dear Diane,
Let's look at the vss. in Psalms, "For yet a little while, and the wicked
shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall
not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves
in the abundance of peace."
Actually the Bible never talks about the righteous going to heaven, but to
paradise. But then let us examine more closely what the Bible Says:
To be accurate, you understand there are 3 heavens... In 1 Kings 9:27, we
read, "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven
of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?"
Elijah went into heaven, 2 Kings2:1 "And it came to pass, when the LORD would
take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from
Gilgal."
and verse 11, "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that,
behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted
them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
Rain comes from heaven... Deut. 11:17; 28:12
The sun, moon, planets, and stars are in heaven... Is. 13:10; 1 Kings 23:5
And God dwells in heaven... Psalms 11:4; Is. 66:1
There are 3 heavens, we breath the first heaven, the stars, moon, sun and
earth are in the second heaven, and the third heaven is behind the veil of
darkness you see at night; which is a gigantic body of water. (study the
great deep to get this)
Paul was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2, "I knew a man
in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught
up to the third heaven." Paul calls this place paradise in verse 4. So if
we go to paradise when we die we go to that third heaven!
As far as a paradise on earth, the Bible tells us that we will be caught
up (raptured) one day. Thoes that are dead in Christ and us who are alive...
This event will end the Church age and usher in the tribulation or Jacob's
trouble.... after this 7 year of tribulation (study Daniel and Revelation)
there will be 1000 years of paradise on earth. The devil will be chained
during the 1000 years. Thoes of us who were born again will have supernatural
bodies, thoes that made it through the tribulation will not... there will
be 2 very different kinds of people on earth at that time... and it will
be very visable who is who... 1 John 3: 1-3...
After this time of 1000 years is over the devil will be loosed, to try the
people of the earth again and they will fail... Sinful mankind will be sent
to the Lake of Fire, and the earth and heaven will get burned and remade...
and then will be the eternal day....
Most of this is in Revelation. Check it out....
We have available to us before the rapture, the grace to be involved in
this!
This passage is quite long, but worth reading...
Hebrews 9:22-10:14, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens
should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves
with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with
hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven
itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest
entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world:
but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to
put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto
salvation.
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not
the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices
which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto
perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that
the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience
of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every
year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take
away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering
thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,)
to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering
for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered
by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first,
that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body
of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the
same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are
sanctified."
The Bible makes it clear there is None righteous, Romans 3:10
All have sinned and fall short of God's glory, Romans 3:23
We are all sinners indeed.... but God made a way to be justified freely by
his grace... Romans 6:24
We must receive that gift, John 1:12
We must come to God as we are... we are sinners... 1 Timothy 1:15 And Paul
claimed to be one.
We must receive that gift through prayer... Romans 10:9-11
You must call on the Lord and according to Romans 10:9, confess the Lord
Jesus and believe He is risen from the dead... and you are promised to be
saved. By that act of faith, in taking God at His words, you are given eternal
life, right then...
If you reject the Bible plan of salvation, you must know that you are a sinner
and the wrath of God abides on you... John 3:36; Romans 1:18; Eph. 5:6; Col.
3:6; Rev. 14:10...
And the future home will be a Lake of Fire, Revelation 20:10-15; 21:8
I hope this study has been a help for you.
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